Mr. Brian Patterson:

My discussion was with the sec gen of that Department at the time, and later with the Minister. Why do I think I was chosen? I'm not trying to be smart but I guess you should ask them that. I had experience in the private sector of boards and governance, I knew a good bit about consumer issues because the companies that I worked for had consumer markets. I knew about organisation development and it was put to me that this is an organisation-building task. We have to build a new organisation from scratch and you seem to know a thing or two about that so...