Mr. Tom O'Connell:

Yes. So it was, it was sort of loose, you know. I mean, we were all ... I heard you talking the famous seventh floor, we were all on the seventh floor, so we'd be interacting quite a lot. So, it was sort of informal, you know, you didn't have to wait for ... oh, but sometimes - I think it has to be said, all right - that if say, a board paper bypassed somebody and went to the Governor, there would have been a bit of irritation about it, that the, you know, the hierarchical system wasn't followed.