Mr. Tom O'Connell:

Yes. Well, with a ... yes, we would probably have ... the Governor would have been putting it to them, I think, that we're sceptical about things, you know. "Are you getting out of hand, are you going over the top?" So we wouldn't have sort of said, "You're absolutely going bananas." But they would invariably tend, to my recollection, would, at the time, would ... their point would have been, "Yes, we have everything under control", you know.