Mr. Patrick Neary:

Well, it wasn't ... it wasn't quite as direct as that. He was ... he came into me and he was trying to see if there was any way we could establish or did I know anything. And he said he would continue his investigations and I said I would make my inquiries. And I certainly, I think, met or spoke to Mr. Drumm, I had contact with Mr. Drumm either by the phone or I had met him at some, some time and nothing had emerged on, on that to quantify it or to give any kind of credibility to the fact that there was a huge CFD position built up in Anglo.