John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

I will give it to Ms O'Donoghue, but the fact of the matter is that she presents analysis here, but I have given an example of quite a large scheme where they bring their own equipment. They hardly have money to put diesel into the lawnmowers they are using to cut the grass, and they tell us that there is no money in the scheme. There is something wrong with that model if that is the case. I have no doubt, having spoken to these individuals as they cut the grass and tidy the place, as is their job within the scheme, when they tell us that they bring their own sweeping brushes and their own hand gear and all the rest of it, that there is something certainly wrong. I will give Ms O'Donoghue the information I have here.