Mr. Patrick Neary:

But just before ... just on that point, just to go back ... I mean, we've kind of ... in 2002, you know, the borrowing in the euro markets and that is one thing. I mean, by 2005 I think that ... that was probably established practice for all practitioners across Europe, to be raising money in those ... in that form in the international markets. I wouldn't think there is anything necessarily unusual about that. But in-----