Joe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party) | Oireachtas source

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D [David] Doyle noted that Government would need a good idea of the potential loss exposures within Anglo and INBS - on some assumptions INBS could be 2bn [€2 billion] after capital and Anglo could be 8.5 [€8.5 billion].

What did you take that reference of Mr. Doyle to refer to? Did you take it to refer to, as some have, that, when capital was exhausted, essentially those two banks were insolvent?