Mr. Patrick Neary:

-----there wasn't a eureka point when I was in the room they said, ''Okay lads, that's it, decided'', right? That consensus emerged ... Now, the chairman and I at ... at that stage the meeting was this ... our presence was there. We .. because there was another meeting seemingly going to go ahead. And I think, you know, with hindsight, what I learned since that the banks .. they met with the banks again. So the chairman and I left the meeting at that stage and we went to a ... we went to a room. So the eureka moment, while there was a consensus, I didn't see a decision------