Mr. Patrick Neary:

Richie Boucher would not have known what information we had on the ... on the liquidity of Nationwide because we wouldn't have been in a position to share it with him because that would be absolutely subject to section 33AK, so he got no information about liquidity about Nationwide from us. A meeting was arranged, attended by the two large banks and Irish Nationwide. If Irish Nationwide chose to be, how would you say, coy or restrictive about the information they provided, look, I mean, that ... that may have happened.