Mr. John Hurley:

No ... lobbying, I think, is ... I know what lobbying is, having been a secretary of a number of Departments. I know specifically what it is and I would have acute antennae out in relation to it. I never felt I was lobbied in relation to a guarantee but I would ... any Governor or any secretary of a Department would have had numerous contacts during this particular period, and any time I was contacted, and there was something significant, I would have told the Minister.