Mr. John Hurley:

I think mostly the meetings ... I can't put an exact time on them because maybe the ... the formal meetings might be once every two months or more ... seven or eight meetings a year. But, of course, we would be meeting in addition to that, outside the formal meetings, at the different fora and at different events. What ... as ... as a matter of course, meetings were arranged particularly around ... at the time of publications or at the time of issuing letters to the Minister. You would always take the occasion to have a discussion in those ... at those times. So, it was fairly frequent and there was never an occasion where a request for a meeting was denied.