Mr. John Hurley:

But this is a matter for the Minister and the Department. They ... the NTMA is part of that nexus. I wouldn't be able to make a ... give a comment on that. But I do know that at a particular moment in time, we were all in the ante-room. And I was called back into a meeting, for example, with the banks. Whereas I had been in the ante-room as well. So that's the nature of ... of what happens on these occasions and the Minister and the Department would have been speaking to the NTMA in the course of the evening, I would imagine.