Mr. Mark Molloy:

Deputy Ó Caoláin asked about bad outcomes. We are speaking about five baby deaths.

At the meeting with the Minister for Health, Deputy Varadkar, on Wednesday in Portlaoise, there were 120 people in the room. Person after person told stories of their baby's death or cerebral palsy injury or horrific injuries that mothers were left with. This is not a figures game but the figure is far in excess of five baby deaths. People spoke of 1986. Two babies were lost to one couple in 1997 and 1998 while another couple lost two babies in the 2000s. Right through that period, including the boom years when we had a few bob, this was going on. A consistent theme emerges throughout. People were told: "You are the only person this happened to. You are very unfortunate. Go away, you will have more children." The same theme emerges and the number is far more than five babies.