John Paul Phelan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

Okay. Can I turn now to your discussions on the 28th with Mr. Hurley in relation to the impending situation with regard to Anglo and you said ... you expressed surprise that he didn't seem to be aware fully of what ... of the €1.5 billion liability that was going to fall due. Did you ... can you elaborate on the discussions that you had with him? Did you express that surprise to him-----