Mr. Brian Goggin:

Oh, sorry. I apologise. I got the two governors mixed up. My mistake. No, do you see ... the Governor of the Central Bank and officials of the Central Bank were always extremely circumspect in ensuring that they did not divulge the names of other banks to a bank. So many of the meetings I had when they would have talked about hypothetical situations, they would have talked about bank A, B, C or D or bank 1, 2, 3 and 4. At various stages over the period from late 2007 right up to 29 September, I often came out of Dame Street scratching my head as to which bank was A and which bank was D. It seemed to change and vary based on the conversation, but I never knew. That-----