Mr. Brian Goggin:

Well, Deputy, when I received the core documents and I read this piece I said, ''What is this about?''

I have absolutely or had absolutely no recollection of a document being drafted, and for the record, there was no document, and I'll refer you to Bank of Ireland, Vol. 2, page 23 - a letter from the group secretary of the Bank of Ireland in relation to this matter and as you will see in that letter, because I actually put a request in to Bank of Ireland to be honest with you, I had no recollection of this particular minute - I asked for sight of the guarantee, it is going back six years in time.