Mr. Dermot Gleeson:

No, because ... there was the Taoiseach's anteroom, as I know it, because I used to work in that building myself, was where the decision makers were. The rest of us were distributed in other rooms. Now, Mr. Lenihan, when I went into that room, was present all the time. In other words when we were asked back into the decision makers, we met the same personnel, the Taoiseach, the Minister for Finance, the Attorney General, the Governor of the Central Bank until very late when he was replaced by Mr. Grimes, and departmental secretaries, Mr. Doyle, Mr. Cardiff his assistant, and ... I've listed them in the list. And when we went back in to that room, Mr. Lenihan was always there, as far as I remember.