Mr. Dermot Gleeson:

We didn't get views, Deputy. I mean, when we were -- when we arrived at Government Buildings, I've told you, we were ... Richard Burrows, the governor of the Bank of Ireland rang me, he said, "I think we should talk to the Government," because of Anglo's share price falling, international chaos, and so on. We went there. We were put in a waiting room. We were asked to go in and the invitation to the group that I've delineated in my written statement was to say what we thought should be done and we presented this proposal for the four-bank guarantee. You'll see that it had arisen, however, the previous day, because the AIB meeting of the previous night had learnt ... Eugene Sheehy had learnt that this solution was in prospect or being discussed.