Mr. Brendan McDonagh:

No because we didn't know what was going on and, you know, I couldn't ... they were in a meeting in New York. We knew they were in a business meeting in New York, and there'd be no point in me, Deputy, ringing Dr. Somers or Mr. Corrigan, who I knew were in a meeting in New York and say to them, "I'm here in Government Buildings, I'm in a room with three other guys who are listening to my conversation that I don't know what's going on."