Eoghan Murphy (Dublin South East, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

Just then, in terms of new debt being issued on the back of old debt, did you ... have you looked at the banks of who was doing more than the other or who was more, say, delinquent in that regard or was, ultimately, more exposed, I am just trying to ... apart from the naked figures that we have which tell us different things depending on what you're looking at whether it's roll-up of interest or discount. They put banks in different position, but given the detail-----