Mr. Brendan McDonagh:

And then Mr. Cardiff says to me, "Okay, would you come with me in to meet the Taoiseach and the Attorney General?" And I went into the room and I think at that stage there was Mr. McCarthy, who was the Secretary General of the Taoiseach, Mr. Doyle, who was Secretary General of the Department of Finance, and I think Mr. Hurley, who was the Governor of the Central Bank. I can't-----