Mr. Rob Wright:

I do not know. I have had two runs through the Department of Finance in Canada. On the first occasion I was a director. That was 30 years ago and old-fashioned management was involved then too. If one had a problem, one threw people at it. When I came in to brief the Minister at the weekend, I would be item No. 4 on a list of ten. I would wait all day and be obliged to return the next day because our item was not reached. There was not a modern human resource management model in place. There were strong people but that really was not modern human resource management.

When I returned to the Department 20 years later, there had been enormous progress. I hope I left the institution in a slightly better position than it was in when I arrived. Now it has a very modern management system that focuses on people and manages them properly in place. There is a regular intake of bright people every year and there is a great interest in that work. Every year - I advocated this to the Department here and it is following my advice - we would sit down, assess everyone on the staff and analyse whether we had identified the people who are on a fast track to success and those who are not getting it done, who require assistance or who should, perhaps, pursue another vocation. We did all of that.