Mr. Barry O'Brien:

There has been very strong engagement by the disability sector and by the other section 39 agencies and those caring for older persons. There is a real sense of engagement on our part through the national directors with the section 39 agencies and there is an awareness of the issues. As I always put it, if the public servants got a pay rise, the section 39 agencies would equally expect a pay rise. Our view is that where there is a requirement for public servants to make a commitment to manage the pay policy, section 39 agencies, which receive a significant grant, should be part of that.