John Deasy (Waterford, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

I do not agree with that for one second; I think the HSE is very much involved and always has been. The Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform signs on the dotted line. The HSE is asked for its input and knowledge when a policy is formulated. If Ms McGuinness is telling me the HSE has nothing to do with public pay policy for section 38 organisations and in this area, I do not believe it. Strictly speaking, the HSE can hide behind this.