Mr. Hamilton Goulding:

When one runs a lottery, people buy lottery tickets. They do that for two reasons. Undoubtedly, one of the reasons is the good cause to which the money is going, just as with the national lottery. The other reason is effectively gambling. I do not know what proportions the Deputy wishes to assign to these. Also in that account was €2.46 million of investment income. The clinic had the ability to make these settlements. I do not know what proportion of the €3 million Deputy Ross believes went to Mr. Kiely, but the clinic had the ability to do this without recourse to public or voluntarily given funds. It had the resources to do that.