Ms Karen Kiernan:

I wish to build on that point and answer the query on competing interests in family law. One of the important things is that every family is unique and because there are no specialist family law courts or judges, some rather inconsistent views can be held.

There certainly are fathers who may be treated unfairly in a court and there are cases where the violence and abuse against someone is not visible or a court does not take it seriously. They are complex and messy issues and need to be dealt with. That is why we keep going back to the evidence base and how to get that.