Simon Harris (Wicklow, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

As Mr. O'Brien is not used to sitting on the sidelines and being on the periphery of these meetings, I will ask him a question to bring him in from the cold. We would not want him to think we had forgotten him. I heard his exchanges with my colleagues. Where, exactly, are we going with this review of the section 39 organisations? I understand where we are going with the section 38 organisations. People must be in compliance with pay policy; the HSE is introducing new corporate governance standards and we are engaging and working with the HSE in that regard. Regarding the section 39 organisations, of which there are many and one of which is before us today, what is the HSE's end game for the sector?