Mr. Tony O'Brien:

We have to go back a little further to the Croke Park agreement, rather than the Haddington Road agreement. After those agreements, section 38 organisations and direct public employees would not have received pay rises other than in the form of allowable increments. In fact, they would have had pay reductions. Section 39 organisations, which are a variety of organisations in both the profit and not-for-profit sectors, would have had a variety of arrangements in place. At a global level, they would have had reductions in funding from us but we would not have visibility and nor would we have directed them in relation to the pay rates of their personnel.