Ms Angela Kerins:

I just wanted to clarify that. It may be the case that not everybody is aware of it. We submit, or over-submit, a list of items that the Department can take from as eligible. In the year the Deputy is talking about, we submitted items to a greater value of €250,000 above what we can claim from. We have no idea what items were chosen and what items were not chosen. Not in any year would we get a report on our drawdown, setting out what items were deemed eligible and what items were deemed ineligible. We never had any difficulty regarding our claim with the Department of Finance at the time, and we have no difficulty regarding our claim with the Department of Justice and Equality now. We cannot itemise, or say that X, Y and Z were chosen by the Department, because we do not know. All we did was submit what we considered to be eligible in relation to the scheme. I remind the committee that there was no definition of "administration" at that time. We would have submitted what was eligible. The Department of Finance and, following on, the Department of Justice and Equality, which has now taken over the scheme, would make those decisions. They have never come back to us and said "this or this" or "you do not have enough eligible claims here to draw down your whole amount to which you are entitled within the scheme". That is all I can say on the matter of clarity.