John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

I wanted to clarify a number of points that were made. When I was looking at the figures going from Departments and agencies to Rehab, I considered that they were going directly to services. I was not aware until today of the detail of the service level agreements. That service level agreement in respect of Ms Kerins's operation is over 90%. Therefore, it comes to the question of the disclosure of salaries at executive level. I believe that because of the amount of money that goes into her section, such money should be declared. I encourage Rehab and the other organisations we have been speaking about to put that information into the public domain as quickly as possible. Obviously the information is with the HSE. Mr. O'Toole has been asked for information today, and I would much prefer to see Rehab volunteering the information. It removes the cloud that some of the committee members were speaking about earlier on. The sooner that happens, the better.

I want to go back to something Deputy Deasy said because I agree with him. I did not want to say this at the outset, because I did not want to cause the meeting to go in any particular direction. I thought that the telephone call from Rehab's solicitors to the legal service in the House was unnecessary. Having gone through the hearing from 10 a.m. until now, much of the information that we sought was given by Ms Kerins without this perception that there was going to be a stand-off at today's meeting. It would have been much more helpful if that legal issue did not arise. We have acted generally within our remit. We may have gone a little bit beyond it in pursuing salaries and so on, but that was because we wanted to get an overall view of the organisation. Today's exchange has helped that. What has not helped us has been the lead-up to this and having to drag that information into the public domain. As Mr. O'Toole and Mr. O'Brien have the information, it would be important for Ms Kerins that this information would be put into the public domain. That gives everybody a clear picture of what is happening within Rehab and of its funding from the Government.

The details of the transaction between whatever section within Rehab and Complete Eco Solutions should be made available. Deputy McDonald has asked for it, and the sooner it is cleared up, the more it will help the public image of Rehab and the charities sector. It was in the past - I think it was 2009 - that the company started.

The point I am going to make about Mr. Flannery and the remuneration committee relates to the wishes of the Committee of Public Accounts. It was clearly expressed by the members of this committee at our last meeting that Mr. Flannery and the remuneration committee be asked to attend, and the report on the benchmarking of the salaries be made available as well. Did Ms Kerins ask Mr. Flannery to attend? Did she ask the remuneration committee to attend?