Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Wednesday, 12 February 2014

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions

Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission

5:15 pm

Mr. Simon O'Brien:

I will deal with the last one first. I do not have a UK phone.

In terms of events, I predicate this response upon the fact the relationship I have with my two colleagues sitting on either side of me is an excellent one. The way in which we do our business and come to our decisions has been proven to be very good, and we have discussed this before. Within this particular set of events, it became very difficult for us to have a properly functioning governance structure around this investigation. I bring it back to this: that because of the threats that were identified to us, we completely disallowed ourselves any use of mobile telephony in looking at, talking about, or having any text data or data about this investigation. We disallowed ourselves any meetings around a normal meeting table, either in my office or elsewhere. We ended up having to keep it so tight that we were meeting in cafés in Capel Street to discuss this, because the security firms told us clearly of the threats to mobile phones with quite low technology.

We have had discussions together. There has been some learning on our part in relation to the decision-making, which was difficult. I will let my colleagues speak but, even if we just look at the sort of area we get ourselves into in terms of governance of this investigation, my colleagues on either side of me have no memory and I do not think I have shown them the final report on this matter. However, that was just before Christmas. For them, some of these issues have felt as though we were running in a different place. We have had discussions about this. That is why I want to make it very clear that, certainly, in relation to the reporting structures, I must take that responsibility upon myself. My colleagues would not have been involved in that.

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