John Deasy (Waterford, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

The terms are misleading. One could go so far as to say there was falsification. I am not an accountant or an auditor. I do not have any great expertise in this area but, as Dr. Smith noted, the accounts should be written so that the ordinary man in the street can understand them. When I look at this and the interim administrator's account of it, I would go so far as to say it was done to deceive. That is very serious. This is the point he is making in the last paragraph, because he singles out the word "donation". It was not a donation in any sense of that word.

I ask the HSE about its guidelines on lump sums - I touched on this issue at the last meeting - and its interaction with Mr. Kiely in early 2013. Did it put the scare on him? What led to this? Was it in contact with the CRC and Mr. Kiely about his salary in early 2013? I do not know whether Ms Lawlor was involved.