Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

I am sorry, but Mr. Conlan's credibility is pretty much shot as regards his appearance here today.

Mr. Conlan realises that Mr. Kiely is leaving his position and he realises that, obviously, he is part and parcel of a preliminary investigation as regards the recruitment process, which, by the way, also fell outside of HSE guidelines and acceptable practice. Was Mr. Conlan aware of that? He probably does not remember.

Mr. Conlan is a member of the board, Mr. Kiely is exiting and Mr. Conlan has no knowledge of this pension package that has been agreed by the board of which he is a member. That is not credible on any level. Personally, I would like to see Mr. Conlan alongside Mr. Kiely and the other board members on the next occasion so that we can test that proposition with them. I rather suspect that, as and when we do so, we might arrive at a different conclusion or Mr. Conlan's recollection might be more accurate than it is today. I do not believe Mr. Conlan that he did not know about this.