Mr. James Menton:

Hopefully, what I say will be helpful in terms of having a better meeting of minds. There is one very important issue that should not be lost sight of here, which is that the individual to my left is an employee of St. Vincent's Healthcare Group and he has contractual rights under his employment contract with us. His employment contract covers his role as the group chief executive and this is a dimension which is central to the difficulty we seem to be having between us here as to what is appropriate and what is not appropriate and the issue of compliance or non-compliance. We have not asked him to waive his natural rights, and natural justice would play a part in the board's deliberations around whether we would or-----