John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

If it was going on in the CRC, it was going on elsewhere. The question I had last week for Mr. Brazel was that all of this was known in the Department of Health. It was known; let us call a spade a spade. It was absolutely clear, so let us stop dancing around it. The Department of Health and the HSE knew about it, so did the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, previously the Department of Finance, know about it? Will Ms Buckley admit that she knew about it?