Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

I appreciate all of that information from Ms. Day. However, I put it to Mr. O'Brien that I find it extraordinary, whatever about the confusion around the term "fee", which I accept, that in public session at an Oireachtas committee hearing in respect of this pension issue, Mr. O'Brien could give no account or context in respect of the matter. The word that went from this committee which, frankly, was mystified by the turn of events, was that vast sums of money were being moved in respect of pensions from the CRC into the Mater Hospital to a phantom fund, phantom account or non-existent account and that Mr. O'Brien, as the person charged nationally with responsibility for human resources and, therefore, pensions, was not in a position to comment, clarify or mitigate the position in any way. I find that extraordinary.