Mr. Paul Maloney:

Mr. Bradshaw.

We went to meet Mr. McNamara on the night of the 23rd - he could not meet during the day - , the night before that board meeting. At that meeting, about halfway through it, he stated for the first time, to me and, to my knowledge, to Mr. Bradshaw, that he was switching, because he had only two or three days left, to a more streamlined and, perhaps, a risk-spreading bank, to Anglo. That is when I heard it so that on the morning of the 24th-----