Mr. Paul Maloney:

I would accept it was a conflict if the person sitting at the board meeting or on the phone was a different person from the person in the Department who was dealing with the sanction.

It may be that it was confidential for her not to say it to that other person because there were several assistant Secretaries General, but she was saying it to herself. She was saying it to the same hat, which was why I did not see it as a conflict. How can one have a conflict in telling oneself information about which one has been told in one role and one has to pass on in another role? I do not see it as a conflict and neither did she.