Joan Burton (Dublin West, Labour) | Oireachtas source

The Deputy is correct. To some extent there may be an element of intergenerational solidarity because by and large the people in the defined-contribution schemes are younger on average than people in defined-benefit schemes because many defined-benefit schemes have been closed to new entrants for a significant period of time. The only other example, I suppose, is the public service, which, in essence, is an unfunded defined-benefit scheme.