John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

I understand that and McGuinness keeps on saying that. However, this is taxpayers' money and the HSE should have taken every step to ensure the audit was set down properly and protocols were put in place and it should not be doing that now. That is why we have this problem today. The problem was created by the CRC and the HSE, which did not try to resolve it. I am amazed that the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform in overseeing a budget of €1.6 billion going from one Department to the other and to the HSE did not raise the issue and did not see what was going on in the Department of Health or the HSE. I would have expected more scrutiny of this issue. Has Ms McGuinness a list of organisations and the top-ups paid to employees within them? Is she aware of a list? The CRC issue, for example, came about because a question was asked. Deputy Ross spoke about the accounts and then we asked a question. Does she have a table of organisations and the number of employees in receipt of top-ups reflecting this issue or problem? If so, can she make it available to the committee?