John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

Does Mr. Ó Foghlú think it is credible that all of this went on under the public gaze, that the structures were known to all and sundry and yet the HEA, overseeing the institute, did not know and, as a result, we are dealing with this loss of money to the State? I find that incredible.