Derek Nolan (Galway West, Labour) | Oireachtas source

We may need to speak to the individuals who went on the trips, sanctioned the funding or were involved in the partnership forum to get a sense of what they knew or thought about the matter. I accept that Mr. O'Brien and Mr. McLoughlin are telling us exactly what they believe is right to say and what is correct as they know it. They are constrained by employment contracts, all kinds of legal restrictions and their firmly held beliefs, but I do not think anybody looking at this matter from the outside would be satisfied with the explanation that it was a failure of governance or that nothing else went wrong. The only sanction to come of years of investigations and commentary is that two people took early retirement. Something has gone seriously wrong if that is the case. As the internal auditor, is Dr. Smith satisfied that all her questions have been answered?