Mr. Joe O'Flynn:

The extent of knowledge of the travel was not known within the organisation; about that there is no question. Some of the trips were known about and when inquiries were made it was believed that the study visits, as he called them, were arranged through the SKILL programme office and largely involved public officials other than SIPTU.

We carried out reconciliations of attendance records and, clearly, not all of the travel took place while the administrator was meant to be at work. There were periods of annual leave taken and in some cases - actually in very few cases - was there knowledge of the extent of the travel, certainly.