Dr. Jim Mac Laughlin:

I know Dr. McVeigh produced a very fine paper where he spoke about how the term "community" seems to be a warm one in Ireland. Historically, we saw communities as including everyone. Of course, the way community has been constructed in Ireland has been quite exclusive. What I am suggesting is that the prettier, more gentrified and more commercially minded Irish towns became, the less welcoming they were to Irish Travellers. My inspiration for starting out in this was a woman called Anne Doherty from Cork who was one of the founding mothers of the Traveller Awareness Group. I always had a policy of never talking to Travellers unless there was another Traveller present. Anne and a friend of hers, Chrissie O'Sullivan, were among the first members of this ethnic intelligentsia about which I am talking. What does one do to increase the size of that ethnic intelligentsia? One makes more places available, as was done in the US in the 1970s and 1980s, through a programme of positive discrimination to make more places available at third level and diploma level for Traveller women but particularly for Traveller men. We need to see more Traveller men involved in this organic intelligentsia.

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