Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Wednesday, 24 April 2013

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform

Fiscal Assessment Report 2013: Discussion with Irish Fiscal Advisory Council

4:10 pm

Photo of Peter MathewsPeter Mathews (Dublin South, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

A great deal of territory has been already covered in terms of the council's mandate, which is very fiscal concentrated, as set out at the bottom of page 1. Professor McHale stated in his presentation that the balance sheet recession shadows everything not alone in Ireland, but abroad. I have been saying that since 2009, including officially on paper to the late Brian Lenihan, in which I predicted that the heads of balance of the six main banks, their liabilities and assets would be not less than €40 billion. He would have thought I was on drugs had I told him what I really believed, namely, that there would be a minimum of €50 billion on NAMA-type loan losses. I also told him that the proposition as designed, the purpose of which was to restore the solvency-liquidity of the banks, would not work, and what I believed needed to be done with the banks.

As Dr. Donovan stated earlier, the banks need capability to address the problem which has only belatedly been admitted, the scale of which is 180,000 mortgages on top of what they shipped out to NAMA. When Bank of Ireland did its bill of lading to NAMA, it reduced its first estimate from €18 billion to €12 billion. How it did that in three months I do not know. It would have had, on average, 35% write-downs or provisions on that €12 billion. The remainder of Bank of Ireland's loan book - it may have an update on these figures which I obtained from it last year - is €105 billion. Its provision against that €105 billion is €7 billion, which is a 6.7% provision. That is absurd. I will explain why. Bank of Scotland Ireland had a peaked loan book of €42 billion. It has written off 40% of that. That percentage includes loans that would have gone to NAMA but did not and had to be written off within Bank of Scotland Ireland's books. Bank of Ireland's loan book of €105 billion includes €81 billion in the following categories of development land loans, development loans, property investment loans, mortgage loans, mortgage-to-let loans and construction industry exposure, yet it has made only €7 billion in provision against that €81 million.

PCAR of March 2011 is as unreliable as PCAR March 2010. I told Mr. Elderfield in his office in April 2010 that the €7.4 billion pencilled in as needed for AIB by the end of that year was absurd and that it needed €10 million immediately and that the figure of €3.6 billion in respect of Bank of Ireland was equally stupid because it needed €6.5 billion immediately. If we have a balance sheet problem in the economy, we should, as set out in the council's mandate, ensure the needle on the dial is aimed towards 3% of GDP by 2015. We hope in the long term to get debt to GDP down to 60%. During the past four years it has increased to €104 billion and is now spinning out of control. The paper by Cecchetti, Mohanty, Zampolli and Jackson Hole states that the real effects of debt over 28 years in the 18 OECD countries were indicative of when economies stagnate. Household debt is that which holds people back from spending, saving and investing.

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