Dan Neville (Limerick, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

I welcome Ms Nabagesera to the meeting and thank her for her contribution. As someone who, along with Senator David Norris, was one of the strongest supporters in the Seanad of decriminalising homosexuality - I was spokesperson for justice in the Seanad at the time - I have read much about the situation in Uganda. However, it is a different matter to hear it face to face from someone who has had experience of it. One can read much about these things but it is only when one meets somebody who is able to articulate it that one is able to appreciate fully the difficulties experienced.

Ms Nabagesera mentioned that Germany and Sweden made positive moves in respect of this. Could she give us a brief outline of what those moves are and their impact? My impression after discussing the matter here is that we want to do many things but there is a negative attached to every one of them. One is treading on eggshells in respect of how we can handle this individually or collectively. Can she tell us why she complimented Sweden and Germany on what they are doing?