Ms Ita Mangan:

Yes, but the additional number to be means tested is not as large as it might sound from the fact that 61% would qualify for the second-tier payment. While I cannot give members the precise figure off the top of my head, of that 61% something of the order of 45% already are being means tested and, consequently, the additional means testing is not as great as it sounds. However, Ms Teresa Leonard knows more about this than do I.