Mr. Mark Johnson:

There is a lack of access to information that could prove that model. Without being unco-operative, the issue in Britain is complex. To look at costs in one place would require funding so we could undertake research on the economic savings to a prison. Would a third sector organisation receive funding for such work? Perhaps it should be undertaken by the public sector, or at least done in conjunction with the public sector. When I had an arboricultural business, it was successful based on the finances, and everything should be run on that basis. We can do more for less. I can create more relevant interventions for people if they are allowed to be involved themselves but we have a bar that stops them. To offer services a person must do a three-year degree to become a social worker or probation officer. He or she is then put in control of someone who has 20 years of microscopic insight into that lifestyle. For me that is wrong. There is no opportunity for the second person to feed his or her insight and experience back in.