Mr. Paul Delaney:

We work closely with the Probation Service in Wexford and we have a constant flow of information back and forward through the service and the probation officers in the prison itself.

Let me emphasise, and it goes back to the Senator Bacik's previous question, in order for the judicial system to have confidence inalternatives to custody, we need to change. We must adopt best practice and a uniformity in targeting the key risk factor areas. I do not discern an unwillingness by the judicial system to use backdoor strategies. The challenge lies in convincing the judicial system that there are alternative measures that will reduce recidivism. It is not a soft option. The day has gone when we can rely on outputs alone to make that arguments. It is not enough to simply say to the judge that the Cornmarket Projects works with 300 people a year, he or she might want to know the impact of the behavioural changes that have come about as a result of that work. I think the issues are interlinked and we need to move toward the argument by giving valid and reliable evidence that backdoor strategies are a real and alternative way of working.