Mr. Martin Callinan:

Perhaps I can deal with the Deputy's first point. Let us forget about what I am not saying, as the Deputy has adverted to. I have said on a number of occasions - the Deputy has quoted me three times - that what I am talking about in the context of station closures is providing a more effective policing service. I have said it again and I will continue to say it. The Deputy speaks about communities losing contact with the Garda. That will not happen. He also speaks about joint policing committees and community policing. All of that will be left intact. That is a given; that will happen. As I said, we are not pulling down shutters and walking away. We will not abandon any community. The arrangements that have been in place locally in terms of contact with the police will be replicated. That is going to happen. What I am trying to articulate here - I am not making a good job of it by all accounts - is that the police-----